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I read an interesting statistic that out of the last 7 matches where Andy Carroll has started, we have won 6, drawn one and lost none. Even more interesting is that out of the last 9 where we have started without him Liverpool have lost 6 and drawn 3 with not a single point on the board.

I’ll relate those figures again for you:

Statistic 1.

Without Carroll our form for the last 9 matches reads DDDLLLLLL equating to just 3 points out of a possible 27 in total.

Statistic 2.

Where Andy Carroll has started our form for the last 7 matches reads WWDWWWW which is a massive 19 points from the 21 available.


Now at first glance this screams for Carroll's selection but these types of statistics can mean anything; it could be mere happenstance, or perhaps the results coincide with the loss of key personnel, or conversely other personnel becoming available? It could be these reasons, a mix of the two or a combination of other potential causes not touched upon here, but whatever it is, given Andy’s seemingly erratic performances many people have found this hard to believe, myself included.

On the face of it Andy Carroll has on the whole, looked like a square peg in the round hole of Dalglish’s pass and move philosophy so it is a little surprising to see how effective he has been, going by the statistics above. However there is a perfectly logical explanation for this, whoever dreamt up the numbers above, which have been circulated on Liverpool forums and social network sites recently, has been about as creative as Rosie Redknapp’s accountant.

The fact of the matter is over the last 9 games without Andy Carroll in all competitions we have suffered 5 losses (consecutive) 3 draws and one win, while if we take Premier League matches only into consideration it reads 5 losses, 2 draws and 2 wins equalling 8 points taken from a possible 27 on offer. Admittedly not great but still looking a little better than the 3 points claimed by whoever dreamt up the “we’ve not won a match in the last nine games without Andy Carroll” story, and where they got the 6 consecutive losses from Robbie Fowler only knows.

What about the statistics on matches where Andy Carroll has started then? 

Well these are a little better, at least the form given here has some basis in reality, although the 6 wins and one draw applies to all competitions so the claim that we have taken "19 points from 21" does not stand up. The truth is a little less impressive. The last 7 league ties yielded 3 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses making a total of 11 points from 21. Not nearly as impressive, and (in the interests of scientific neutrality) it is only fair our comparison covers the same number of games as those we have examined where Andy Carroll hasn’t played, which would give us a further two games to look at; we lost one and drew another, which would make a grand total of 12 points from 27 available, only 4 points shy of the total we have accumulated without him.

So it appears to be that for some reason someone outthere has massaged the figures in Andy Carroll’s favour, why? To have another pop at the manager? To push for Carroll’s inclusion in the first eleven? Andy, this wasn’t you was it? 

In using the last 7 games in all competitions it fails to address the difference in player mindset, from having something to play for in the Carling and F.A Cups to becoming increasingly less convinced about achieving anything in the league. I’m not saying that’s the right attitude to have, but it could certainly be a contributing factor.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not against Andy Carroll. I happen to believe he’s a very talented footballer. I think it’s unfair to criticise Carroll when he’s not been given much time to show what he can do or to build up a relationship with Suarez, and I would dearly like to see the man given a run in the team. There are however some statistics that I found while looking into this that didn’t sit right with me, such as Carroll not starting more than three consecutive matches on the bounce. I do have reservations over the type of player he is, as he just doesn’t look to me like the type of striker that fits into Dalglish’s footballing philosophy. He could considered be a hindrance on our pass and move game, 
and perhaps that’s why he hasn’t started more than three on the bounce so far.

Furthermore over the 30 matches played he’s started 15, of which we have won 7 drawn
4 and lost 4. We’ve played 15 matches without Carroll in the starting line up, winning 4, drawing 5 and losing 5 (2 of which he was an unused substitute). Out of the 90 points available this season we’ve amassed 17 points without him compared to 25 points with him in the side. The truth as to how much of a difference Carroll’s inclusion has on our results, whether you take it from the last 7, 9 or 30 matches, is far less clear cut than we have been led to believe by the 
faceless internet statisticians.

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The following link is where the stats come from; http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/03/in-depth-why-are-liverpool-struggling/

There are some interesting points their, but like all stats they can be manipulated to prove a point one way or another. Similar stats could argue the service is not good enough or the fact that we've been unlucky hitting the woodwork and missing PKs but at some point you've got to say is this luck or lack of quality? I found over the decades of watching football my initial instinct of what I see on the pitch is the best way to form an opinion. Case and point, if you were to crunch the numbers on Suarez they probably don't make for good reading but I think most would agree he's a spectacular player (how did we land a player like this, more please). The stats that actually matter in this case are goals scored, as this is what strikers are judged upon and Andy's goal return is..... I also questioned the signing from the off but hoped he'd be this unstoppable force from 6 yards. We all want him to succeed but with no goal return and very little else to show for on the pitch, aside the odd defensive header it's difficult be optimistic. Let's hope his form to fruition in the cup game(s).

YNWA